User:Jhonevans/Talk Page Archive 1

Reply
Hello. I wasn't sure if those pages were really necessary. I've changed my my about all of them except for Mr. Blasty. By the way, when you put a picture on a page, please remember to not include the thumb note saying it was added by you or a note describing the picture. Also, please watch your spelling and grammer in the future. I had the fix a lot of errors on the pages you added. Thank you TheShadowCrow 21:38, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Again, please remember to not include a thumb on your pictures and not to make them ridiculously large. TheShadowCrow 00:10, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

When you put "thumb" in your photos, it leaves a note that the picture was added by you. This isn't supposed to show up in character templates. TheShadowCrow 21:58, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

You're not being a pest, all questions are welcomed. I see the problem on the Jimmy Carter page. On File:Marge_Statue.png|thumb you should've remove the thumb part and replace it with a px. File:Marge_Statue.png|Marge_Statue.png won't do anything. By the way, putting a 400px isn't bad. Just look at how the page looks and decide if it's an appropriate size. Nearly all pictures in a character template should be around 200-250px. Hope this helps TheShadowCrow 21:28, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Redirections and deletions
For the two pages you marked should be deleted, there's two different ways you can handle this.

The first is if you found a different page that covers the same subject, you can redirect the first one to the better page. You do that with  #redirect name of page. I've used that for the "Worker and Parasite!" and "Snowball l" pages (the second with a one instead of an uppercase I).

The second way is to mark that the page should be deleted. To do that, put the following at the top of the page:  . Add it to the top of the page, but don't erase the rest of the page. That will help us confirm that it should be deleted and an admin will delete the page as soon as they can.

If you have any more questions, let me know. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 15:44, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Achievement badges
You had asked if the "Caffeinated" badge was the highest one available. Wikia hasn't gotten around to creating a list of what the badges are, but I'll try to give you a summary.

The groups badges are split into vary from wiki to wiki. There's about five basic kinds, but this wiki added the following:


 * Editing the following: Character pages, Episode pages, Production pages, Cast and Crew pages, Location pages, Quotes pages, References pages, Guest stars pages, and then for regular/other pages.
 * Adding pictures to a page
 * Adding categories to a page
 * Creating a blog or adding a comment to it

Each of these has a different level: Bronze (1 edit, 5 edits and 10 edits), Silver (25 edits, 50, 100), Gold (250 edits, 500 edits). Looks like for blogs, there's only a bronze for creating a blog, a bronze for commenting on 3 blogs and a silver for commenting on 10 blogs.

After that are the special badges, such as editing every 5/14/30/60/100/200/365 days, making 100 edits in a single day (this is the "Caffeinated" badge), and making the 1000th edit (this is cumulative, so it is for the 1000th edit, then the 2000th edit, then the 3000th edit, so it's random chance to earn this one).

I have already asked Wikia and it's not possible to reset the count. So, it's going to take a while before anybody can break into the top 10.

One thing to be careful about is creating throw-away edits just to earn a badge. I've seen wikis that turned on the Achivement Badges and then people start adding categories and other kinds of edits that are really trivial just to earn those badges. I think we already have some of that going on here, so after I get the categories cleaned up and organized, we will probably have to start warning and blocking users that are abusing the badging system. That will be a while down the road, though.

Let me know if you have any more questions. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 16:28, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

The other wiki
I'm moving the discussion about the other wiki from my blog over to here because I want that blog to be there for reference, rather than discussing what the other wiki is doing. RRabbit42

What wiki are they moving to? (or have moved to) -Jhonevans 07:29, November 15, 2011


 * I will leave that up to individuals to do a search for it. We will not have anything to do with them and have already started the process to completely separate ourselves from them. —RRabbit42 (leave a message) 05:28, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I found it, they have a lot more articles than this one, which is impressive for such a young wiki compared to ours. Any reason why this one is better than theirs? Also, did they really re-write all the information again, or did they copy and paste it all from here? Jhonevans 08:57, November 15, 2011


 * They have more articles for the following reasons:


 * Many of the people from here, including the admins, moved to that other location. That left this wiki without people to help guide and build it until I started the process of finding new people to adopt it.
 * They actively tried to destroy this wiki because they were mad at Wikia. This may have caused some people to give up on trying to edit here.


 * Because of those two points, they had a head start on making their wiki grow when they took a copy of this wiki and used it as a starting point for their new one. Making a copy is allowed under the licensing, but you have to put a notice on the page that says where you got the info from. Technically, every page on the other wiki should have this notice, excluding any that were created after December 2010.


 * Now, as to why this wiki is better, that's going to be subjective. I believe it is better because it is about to get a major overhaul that will make it more attractive and easier to use. I have several ideas about how to do this and have already started the process with the cleanup I've done so far. There are also some features on Wikia wikis that are not available from other companies, such as slideshows, top ten lists and achievement badges.


 * But, for less subjective reasons, this wiki is better because:


 * We have not engaged in personal attacks on Wikia staff members and volunteers, nor taunted them, nor tried to impersonate them.
 * We do not believe that Wikia is evil, which would justify our behavior and vandalism.
 * We have not lied to people about being blocked, nor blocked them to force them to go to the other wiki.
 * We have not been hypocrites by vandalizing another wiki while we block people for vandalism on our own wiki.
 * We have not given people administrator rights just so those accounts could be used for vandalism.
 * We have not offered bribes to users to get them to go over to another wiki.
 * We have not lied to other users to trick them into giving us administrator rights.


 * As I told another person, that wiki's name has become tainted by the actions of their administrators. It will take a long time for them to rebuild their reputation. If they have more articles now, good for them. It's a step towards rebuilding that reputation. But for now, we are going to remain separate from them and find our own way.


 * I hope that you will want to stick around. The upcoming changes will be good and we can focus on more positive things. I believe in this enough that I am taking time away from other wikis I am responsible for to help this one rebuild. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 15:22, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * We hope you'll chose to stay here with us. The other wiki is very corrupt. They have encouraged people to vandalize this wiki. Two of their admins sent bots that would spam offensive comments on all of the pages. TheShadowCrow 01:56, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Sorry about the lateness of my reply, my computer wasn't letting me do anything but undo stuff until now. I was kind of suprised the former admins could leave everything behind too. One of them got banned for supposedly for no reason and that got everyone of them really mad. Here is an exact word for word converstation with me and the former head bureaucrat:

Me: "And out of curiosity, how did the anti-wikia alliance manage to shut down Wikia?"

The Solar Dragon: "We used JavaScript code to create a mass of pages so quickly, it overloaded Wikia's servers, bringing it down."

They are like religious fanatics.

Anyways, a future Admin position for you is a definite possibility. Right now is to early, but I've been watching your edits and you've been doing a great job. This isn't an obnoxious question, I appreciate your interest. Keep up the good work and ask me again in a couple months once you feel you have the hang of wiki standards and policies. TheShadowCrow 21:57, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Question
I'm sorry I'm so late on my reply. I have been unable to come on wikia or the internet in general because of something I had to take care of in real life.

Anyways, I'm not really sure what you're asking me. It doesn't matter if a lower quality image remains on the wikia, as long as the higher quality one take's it's place. If you're talling me the lower quality picture stays on the page, I have looked at every edit you made on Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire and I didn't see that happening.

Overall, pictures on Apperances are perfered because then the user won't have to click on every link to see what the character looks like. But they're optional. I don't see any use in removing all the images.

TheShadowCrow 00:03, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reply
O.O

Heh, did you photoshop that? I thought you hacked and took over Simpsons Wiki for a second when I didn't see TheSolarDragon. Anyways, good luck working something out with those guys. And yes, please do keep me posted. TheShadowCrow 02:52, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

it's late... Im closing out for the night

so i'm so confused. i just learned how to add links to pages. P.S how do you make a tab for pages if you wanted to add "Gallery" or "Beavior"?

Thanks Firemime475 13:48, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hey dude im getting the hang of this wiki but one question, can you make a badge and make it public so others can earn it or no?

It's ok :)
Just remember to double check spelling and grammer in the future. But don't be sorry, you've done a lot for the wiki and we're thankful for that. TheShadowCrow 04:24, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

How do u customize badges? I see the symbol but how?Firemime475 05:06, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

how do you be an admin Firemime475 05:35, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Can you add this pic as the "Character Fan" badge I just got?Firemime475 05:59, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Look what i drew and wait i have a few more!

Firemime475 06:13, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pictures for badges have to be pretty small to fit inside the frame. A picture like this would have to go into a template that we would use as an award, but that would be something that is given out by a person instead of happening automatically based on what you edit. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 17:14, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Anything said
Administrator John Evans said anything "Jordan elias 06:55, December 4, 2011 (UTC)"

Re: Ideas
Hey man. Pretty good ideas.

I don't know if you noticed the new badges, but there are more specific ones now.

I agree we should update the home page more often. That's something me and RRabbit have discussed before and it's a work in progress. I have been thinking about bringing back the rewards, but that would require a lot of work. We would also have to rename them and redesign them to avoid confusion with the Simpsons Wiki awards.

As for an app... that sounds really cool, but I have no idea how too make one. TheShadowCrow 02:19, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

My Signature
Hi, Jhonevans. On my admin request page, you said I should learn to sign my signature. Whether this is a joke or you're serious, I've customised my signature so it actually looks like that. Look:

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomno (talk) 18:16, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomno (talk) 18:16, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomno (talk) 18:16, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

On the last one I wrote

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomno (talk) 18:16, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was joking, but I was wondering why it would say that. Gotta teach me how to do something like that! Jhonevans 23:54, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just go to User:[User name]/Preferences, scroll down to the signature section, and click customize. Then you can make it look like almost anything. You might want to know some good code first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomno (talk) 15:36, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, I'm using the Gallery for the Ralph Wiggum page but how do you delete the undifned photos?Firemime475 16:11, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Question
Do you remember what the date was when I made you an Admin? TheShadowCrow 02:56, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

3rd of December I am Jack&#39;s Jhonevans 02:52, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

K, thanks. TheShadowCrow 02:56, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Go on chat (I don't really have anything to say, but just in case) I am Jack&#39;s Jhonevans 02:57, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: badge boosting
Sorry just try the earn badges and get on the leaderboards :( It just seems i do a lot and im not even in 20th place. So please can you tell me not to do and i will obey your compand.Firemime475 04:09, December 11, 2011 (UTC) Just Please i spend hours on this website and i don't want it to go to waste

Categories
Hold up on adding categories to the episode pages. I'm going to update the navigation template in a moment and it will auto-include the categories for us. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 15:17, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hold on, make sure all teh right categories are added, I don't want all the categories I've been adding erased. Also I've only finished all teh quote pages, half way through references (in making the upper tabs). I am Jack&#39;s Jhonevans 15:20, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Just wanted to say way to go on spliting the #1 rank between you and Solar Dragon. And it only took you a month and a half! That's some serious dedication. Congratulations dude. TheShadowCrow 02:22, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Well I usually get pretty dedicated to something once I start it. Shouldn't be long before I get my next 100 points. But nevertheless it's all for the site, gonna start powering out those pages once I get these tabs sorted out. Hopefully we can finally redesign the front page too! Anyway, thanks a lot. I am Jack&#39;s Jhonevans 08:45, December 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Now I'm #1. Anyway, could you please upgrade Randomno's to an admin. Also, perhaps RRabbit42 or I to a bureaucrat. Because I realise you often have Internet problems and it might be easier in the future. I am Jack&#39;s Jhonevans 16:24, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

How do you make stuff for Contents Firemime475 01:26, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Should I keep up my good work creating pages like Virtual Itchy and Scratchy, District 10 and District 9 Firemime475 05:14, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Flintstones
Whether they appear in a couch gag or not, they're the only Flintstones with that name, there's no need to disambiguate them. After ll, they appeared in their traditional design. Please do not revert my moves without a real reason to disambiguate themToonNicker3 12:25, December 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually that's a fair reason. Sorry for doing so. Jhonevan&#39;s signature. 12:27, December 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I also included a second reason in the move, and a third in the move back to the original move, for just a bit more support. Sorry for sounding harsh.--ToonNicker3 12:29, December 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, no. You're correct. Now get editing! Jhonevan&#39;s signature. 12:30, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Inactivity
Hi. I'm worried about your inactivity. You're most recent edit was on December 26 moving your admin status from active to inactive. I noticed you last logged in today on that rotten tomatoes website. I really want to know what's happened. I don't remember you mentioning becoming inactive on chat on the 26th. User:Randomno User talk:Randomno  20:26, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not because you're secretly on strike until we start making pages, is it? User:Randomno User talk:Randomno   20:28, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Spotlight Request
Hi. I apologize for the delay in answering your spotlight request. Simpsons Wiki is in good shape, except that you have about 120 uncategorized pages. Please let me know on my talk page when you have taken care of them and I'll be happy to add it to the approved spotlight list. -- Wendy (talk ) 02:05, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Great! I've added the wiki to the approved spotlight list! -- Wendy  (talk ) 01:10, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back!
We missed you. Why did you change your status to inactive and go on a hiatus? TheShadowCrow 18:05, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

I understand. I don't have that much free time either, but I edit the wiki whenever I can. All edits are appriciated, and again, we're all glad to have you back. TheShadowCrow 18:34, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and use the damn chat :pJhonevan&#39;s signature. 18:36, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

do you happen o now who's the admin around here? 21:58, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Response
For future references. 23:44, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Platinum Badge.
Thanks for informing me about the year long badge. Timothy 03:13, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Reply
I come on whenever I can. I have a job and school. Please do not leave. I was on chat when someone was telling you to go and I banned him. We have finally started a community here and it would be a shame to see you go, you and Randomno. Those guys tried to destroy this wiki. We just started rebuilding here and we're doing great. There's no rush in building a wiki. Don't let the number of pages trick you. It's better to have 500 well written articles than 1000 poorly written and rushed articles. We will pass 10,000 and have more pages than Simpsons Wiki someday. What's the hurry? They are a corrupt wiki and are part of an organization that has tried to take down all Wiki's. I really hope you and Randomno will stay here, Jhon. TheShadowCrow 23:04, January 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll second that. You and Randomno can go over there if you want, but I would be really sure that they are the kind of people they say they are, and not just people being nice because they want to lure you over to a different site. They've done that before by offering awards and admin status to Sgtcook. I think he made the decision to go there for other reasons, but it would have been better if they hadn't made those kinds of offers in the first place. And Escyos, one of the people who was most adamant about leaving Wikia, was blocked in July 2011 on the new wiki because he "cannot be trusted here anymore".


 * Take a look at how they refer to other wikis such as this one. Is it derogatory because they are a part of Wikia? (For the record, I tend to refer to Simpsons Wiki as the "other wiki" because I feel that their name has been tainted by the vandalism they engaged in when they left here. It's going to take a long time before they can restore that good name and not having the people there who committed the vandalism here would be a step towards that. Any negative feelings on my part towards them are in reference to that vandalism, not because they have another wiki or the site they host it on.)


 * As to merging the two wikis, it's the same situation as it was in October 2010. All you can do is make another copy of this one and add it to the other wiki. Simpsons Wiki will be here whether you, I or anyone else is. Wikia is not going to delete it.


 * Again, making a copy is something you could do and as long as the full history of each page was included, it would be allowed. But would you really want to do this? To me, that would say that the other wiki is a copy of this one and doesn't come up with their own material. They felt at the time that this wiki was just a copy of theirs, so I'm sure that they wouldn't want to put themselves in the position where the same could be said about them. There's room on the Internet for more than one wiki about The Simpsons and each one can come up with its own material to offer something different than the other.


 * If you're concerned that this wiki isn't growing fast enough, keep in mind that a lot of the work I've been doing has been cleanup and fixes behind the scenes with Ferbot. 34,611 edits so far, an average of 468 per day. All the clutter and debris that cropped up from 5-6 years of normal wiki editing, such as four different ways some episodes were spelled or redirects for a character that appeared in an episode 15 years ago and was never mentioned again.


 * That kind of maintenance is just about done, so now I can get back to working on the features that will help this wiki grow. I have also spent around $150-$200 on Simpsons books so I can use them for reference here, something I never planned on doing, so that's an indication of my commitment to this wiki. Another indication is the fact that I am taking time away from my main wiki, the Phineas and Ferb Wiki, to help build this one. There are times I feel guilty about doing so, but I know that helping this wiki rebuild and grow is important and it's something I can be proud to be a part of. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 03:58, January 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * "It's better to have 500 well written articles than 1000 poorly written and rushed articles. We will pass 10,000 and have more pages than Simpsons Wiki someday."
 * From what I've seen, our articles are better written than your articles. We have got numbers and quality.
 * "They are a corrupt wiki"
 * Coming from a Wikia wiki, that seems kind of contradictory. The whole of the Wikia staff are corrupt and only care about money!
 * Okay, moaning over, we're not the bad guys here. We only tried to destroy the wiki at one point because Wikia refused to close it down when the ENTIRE community left. All you guys did was take over our work and claim it as your own. Simpsons Wiki is growing faster than Simpsons Wikia and we have nicer staff (despite what you think, I'm not a bad person) and more good features (such as a better skin, more extensions, our own forum, other wikis on our own independent server).
 * We have more articles and more quality articles. You have more users. This is going nowhere. There is no point in competing with us when we can all join together and make the best damn Simpsons website on the Internet. There is no point in having two rival wikis.
 * I'll have more to say later but right now I have to go. We are dedicated to our wiki and our users. Mr. Wobbly 17:30, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

I want to Apologise.
I would hope you can except my apologies from my behavior a few weeks ago over at SPA wiki. Nikolaitttt turned on me as well as banning and blocking many long time editors. They completely overhauled the wiki and control it now. I tried to get along with them and did not realise I was on the list to be eliminated as well. Those guys blocked you because they wanted control and did not want to share. I was blocked for not working as hard as they were in the redesign project. Please except my apologies for playing along with their rude attitudes. 02:15, January 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, you actually opened my eyes to how much of an asshole I was. Although my suggestion to add relatives was never suppose to be rude, and I still don't think it was, maybe a little upfront, but yeah... Anyway, I've been very desperate to edit there for awhile. Blocked for not editing as much? You should be able to lodge a complaint about that, I also heard as an admin you could unban yourself, but I am not sure if that's true or not. And as I write this I wonder how you will actually know I replied, but it's not like I can post on South Park... But yeah, I'm glad you remembered to even message me, it's tearing at me for the past month. Jhonevan&#39;s signature. 04:23, January 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * If it were still up to me I would unblock you. 16:30, January 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well come on chat if you want too. Also, you're more than welcome to edit here. I did some reading on your wiki, I have had to deal with people like that recently too. Jhonevan&#39;s signature. 16:32, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Images
Very sorry but I have added 2 of the same pictures. Please could you delete them? Thanks,

Simpsons guy 16:07, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Copyright violations
Hi, with your recent article additions, you are in violation of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 policy. Your links are broken and are not proper attribution to us as a result. Plus, we do not give you permission to use the content so you must either get Wikia to unblock the links and say "This article was obtained from [URL Simpsons Wiki]" or delete the pages. Thank you, Mr. Wobbly 18:54, January 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Please take note your warning on your Wikisimpson's talk page. I think your admin team will agree that action may be necessary for the benefit of both wikis.--Cook879 21:41, January 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Jhon, please don't do this again. You already know I feel it is better for both wikis to come up with their own material on new pages. Copying pages from one wiki to another, regardless of whether the licensing is there or not, means that each one is going to have to spend time monitoring what the other is doing. That will have two effects: it is time spent on something other than building this wiki and it will continue to promote distrust. I have deleted the pages and the pictures. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 02:21, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hello!
This wiki isn't doing too well without frequent editors. :| I've been on Simpsons Wiki since January 22nd this year. I visit this wiki occasionally to see what's happening. Randomno 11:27, April 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've noticed. But I'm staying right here. Jhonevan&#39;s signature. 05:23, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I never asked if you wanted to move, I just gave you a summary of what's happening. I hope someday Simpsons Wiki will get the views it deserves. Randomno 13:00, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on being ranked #1!

Alvinluvr30 10:48, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Main Page Poll
Hi! My name is Lexi and I'm a member of the Wikia Community Development team as well as a big Simpsons fan. I was hoping to get a poll up on the main page asking users who their favorite guest star was from Season 25. Would that be all right with you? Thanks!

LexiLexi 18:07, May 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping you mean season 23? If so than it should be perfectly fine. Jhonevan&#39;s signature. 07:49, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

This might help
Hi, I'm Rim, some guy on Wikia, and I was just wondering if you wanted for Administrators, Baureacrats, etc. to have specialy coloured names. People think of it as a cool feature to have on Wikis. Heres an example. Just wanted to let you know, if you want to look into it, just ask me or reply to this, I'll give you the code and stuff.

My signature won't work here, because I haven't put the template on it. My User Page.

I am uploading higher quality photo's and Kid Sonic (He/She is an admin) keeps changing them back to the low quality crappy ones, and thinks I did the pic myself, when I didn't, can you helpme understand? if you can thanks. Cullen Pearse (talk) 06:55, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hi from 5oo93

Re: Chat
I'm on chat now :)

♫ Mr   Badger   Lol  ♫ 13:03, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Chip Davis
Would he be classed as a Major Character? Seeing as everyone in the town loved him, and he was pretty major in theire lives, or Minor Character? Seeing as he never appeared in any episode other than as a picture at his funeral.

♫ Mr   Badger   Lol  ♫ 20:27, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Founder
Thanks for telling me. I'm very curious. LexsJB (forever Icecream)  13:42, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Achievements
Hi, so, do you think we should have the Treehouse of Horror badge?

♫ Mr   Badger   Lol  ♫ 15:59, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Comics
Do you think there should be a on these?

♫ Mr   Badger   Lol  ♫ 16:00, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hi there how do you make a info box thank you?

Changing blocks
I usually don't countermand blocks made by another admin, but on a couple of the recent ones you placed, it looks like those users made some fairly minor edits that really didn't require a permanent block. Unless it's blatently obvious that they're only here to vandalize, a short block would be better to discourage them from continuing.

Think of it more as "okay, playtime's over and you need to stop now" rather than "you did one thing bad so I'm going to stomp you into dust". The ones who don't learn from that warning make it clear pretty quickly what their real intentions are, and at that point a longer or permanent block is appropriate. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 03:22, November 22, 2013 (UTC)