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Why not just remove the status all together as a compromise? Is it that important to have "Alive" on these couple of character articles who are also dead people? Ardilaun (talk) 09:44, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- I tried to ask on the Discord and got less than zero on any rational for this policy and instead just restatement the policy (awareness of the policy wasn't the issue) and the consequences for breaching it and then a prolongedly pointless insult fest not on the actual subject, but just me and apparently need to blindly follow whatever admins write (which I think I do and also respect is a 2-way street). This isn't even about changing the policy because never get any answers on why the policy exists in the first place since it was very recent and without any time for community input. The rule is the opposite of the actual makers of "The Simpsons" have said about real life dead people. I just wonder if it's worth blocking users for edits that don't seem at all malicious in intension again and again for the sake of a policy nobody can explain beyond it's the rule. At very least worth a bit of discussion? Ardilaun (talk) 10:12, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
They're not dead in the canon of the universe. what's so hard about it. in fringe in the other universe jfk is still alive, the twin towers are still up (due to different choices etc. but other stuff is dead or destroyed). In that universe and canon they're alive. It's different from the real world. LetsPlayNintendoITA 11:35, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
- But "The Simpsons" have the WTC gone and JFK dead.
- Again, zero rational. I'm not debating the entire concept of canon, but (of course) this specific thing of dead people never mentioned as being alive on the shows can be rationalized beyond "because I say so" which (again) isn't a good rationale for the specific idea that real people who have sadly died not only shouldn't be acknowledged, but pretend they are alive despite the show never saying they are alive. One or two or three... Are there a lot of real life people, particularly when those people guest voiced on the actual show, being in episodes that this policy is required? The concept of the off-screen death is pretty standard of fan wiki canon policies? It's a comedy show so it's not a shocker that they don't mention previous guest voiced characters by the real person who have died, but even then, why have the memorial card at the episode aired right after those people have died? I don't get this policy. This isn't some long held canon policy on the wiki either. I'm not talking about Lionel Hutz or Troy McClure where the voice actor died or Dr. Nick or Mrs. Glick where they made-up for the show. There are plenty of other people have edited this articles to switch to dead (include an admin) so this isn't me being alone and beyond the canon debate, losing potential editors for unsatisfactory reasons seems like an issue that ought to be addressed? Middle names, terms of presidents, capital of countries, populations and founders of cities... Articles mention TONS of stuff unmentioned in episodes because it's based on real life so unsure why it's unique.
- It is in opposition to what the makers have said (i.e. commentary track for "Treehouse of Horror IV" where they acknowledge ex-President Nixon would be dead on the show because the real Nixon had died plus the recurring joke on commentary tracks about avoiding Bob Hope jokes because they worried he'd have died before the episode aired. It's that the case, why would they care if Bob Hope is alive unless his death certificate is shown on an episode). Ardilaun (talk) 12:34, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, is the rationale that we can only consider canon is just what's explicit from episodes? Except that's not remotely true. The first line of most real life people and other real world places and things is copied and pasted from Wikipedia. The vitals, nationality or profession are on the article even if none of that was mentioned within the episode. Why use Wikipedia and ignore that part of the first line about them being dead.
- You asked what I didn't understand. I guess I'd understand this policy if characters like Suzanne Somers or Jimmy Carter were showing up in episodes after they died, except I can't think of any example of that happening.
- And maybe I wasn't clear on the point of the Richard Nixon example from THOH commentary track is that the makers of the show said that if Richard Nixon was dead at the time, he's dead on the show which directly contradicts this policy and also just makes more sense. THOH have been considered non-canon from the first day of the wiki and this policy only effect a few specific articles of real people who have sadly died since appearing on the episode (which is 3-decade-plus show is going happen more and more), while this is not some long established policy and causes more blocks and other problems then it's worth keeping? Ardilaun (talk) 16:23, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
Also you're wrong, this isn't show canon or canon based on the show. It's just you guys copying another fan wiki's rules for no stated reason and then being obstinate when even just mildly questioned. Ardilaun (talk) 20:25, 23 August 2025 (UTC)