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Move original research to talk page

I'm moving this sentence here, because I think it was some editor's original research:

"The premier family among the Springfield mafia is the D'Amico crime family."

I've never come across this. I'd like to see a source cited. -- Fit Tony (talk) 09:11, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

The Castellaneta crime family is defunct?

How do we know this? -- Fit Tony (talk) 01:09, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

"Members"

People seem to be putting a lot of stock in the FBI corkboard/push pin/yarn image that's on the article page. Snake is listed as a Springfield mafia "member", and this FBI corkboard is given as the source. Krusty the Clown, Jimmy the Snitch and Mayor Quimby are also on this corkboard. Luigi is on it, with a question mark next to his name.

Other corkboards appear in The Simpsons. The people on them vary.

I don't think Jimmy the Snitch is a member of the Springfield mafia, unless he's a snitch for the Springfield mob -- but then why would they have tied him up and thrown him in the trunk of their car, if snitching was what he was supposed to do.

If Krusty is a member, why did they try to kill him for owing them money? Why did Bart have Legs and Louie beat Krusty up, for failure to pay them for keeping McDonalds and Burger King out of town? They could have just withheld that money from him, when it came time to pay him.

Why would Legs attack Luigi's, in the episode in which Marge starts a pretzel business, if Luigi was a member of the mob?

Neither Jimmy, Krusty, nor Luigi has ever been shown, to the best of my knowledge, doing something for the mafia. At least in Snake's case, he once did something for Fat Tony in Mr. Burns' jail.

I think it would be absurd to contend that Mayor Quimby is a "member" of Fat Tony's mafia. Fat Tony had to bribe the mayor to get him to give Tony's mob the school milk concession.

Snake and Jimmy the Snitch are both listed as being mob members. Krusty and Mayor Quimby are not. If we are considering this FBI corkboard a reliable source, for who's a member, why aren't Krusty and Mayor Quimby listed as "members"? -- Fit Tony (talk) 02:40, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Mobster Rank Titles

There are problems with adding rank titles to mobsters. First of all, I'm not sure what the importance of adding this fan fiction even is.

These titles cannot be sourced, because nowhere in the series are they specified. Rationale's range from opinions of what's "implied", to unpersuasive synthesis, to fan fiction, to very questionable assumptions, to original research, to "highly doubt that 'Don' is his name."

I guess if one doesn't speak Spanish and Portuguese -- maybe the two languages that are most similar to Italian -- like me, you don't really understand what calling somebody "Don" (or "Dom") means.

We need to discuss this insertion of fan fiction -- that's based on, 'well it must be' (when that's not necessarily so) -- here, to try to achieve consensus. An edit war isn't the way, nor is tendentious editing.

My question is: Where are these rank titles specified?

The closest I've seen, is:

  • When (Fit) Fat Tony announces to his mafia that their temporary "don" is their accountant -- suggesting that (Fit) Fat Tony was the permanent "don". Later, the accountant tells Homer: I'm a "mob boss."[1]
  • in Donnie Fatso, Homer says: I can't go undercover with Fat Tony. [...] I was briefly his "consrigliere, consugli, cannoli..."

In The Real Housewives of Fat Tony, Lisa tells Homer that Selma is treating a "mob boss" -- (Fit) Fat Tony -- like an ordinary taxpayer.

We have no idea what Don Vittorio DiMaggio's rank title is, or if he even has one. If he is the godfather, Fat Tony may be the don. If he is the don, then Tony could be an underboss, consigliere or capo.

I do not believe that we can tell, from what they're seen doing, that Johnny Tightlips is a capo -- and that the rank title of Louie and Legs is "Soldier/Bodyguard," or "Soldier".[1][2]  -- Fit Tony (talk) 10:35, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

I am asking for sources for these rank titles. -- Fit Tony (talk) 20:07, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Citations

  1. Penny-Wiseguys
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