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  • Hi! You removed the category 'Right-wingers and Conservatives' from page 'Adolf Hitler', claiming that Hitler was a 'socialist'. Nothing can be further from the truth. 'National Socialist' was just a name, in reality, Hitler had nothing to do with Socialism. He even sent many socialists to prisons. The Nazis under Hitler were similar to today's Republican Party or UKIP. Hitler, as a politician was a far-right populist-conservative. Therefore, the category will stay. 

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    • Penrith wrote: Hi! You removed the category 'Right-wingers and Conservatives' from page 'Adolf Hitler', claiming that Hitler was a 'socialist'. Nothing can be further from the truth. 'National Socialist' was just a name, in reality, Hitler had nothing to do with Socialism. He even sent many socialists to prisons. The Nazis under Hitler were similar to today's Republican Party or UKIP. Hitler, as a politician was a far-right populist-conservative. Therefore, the category will stay. 

      No, actually, he WAS a socialist. The people he sent to jail were Russian-aligned Communists, which was because of a bug in the program that had every socialist fight amongst themselves when they gain power (or rather, it was a feature, since Karl Marx explicitly stated he wanted to reenact the Reign of Terror and make it even more bloody). It's no different than when Stalin and Trotsky, both socialists, began fighting each other which ended with Stalin arranging for Trotsky to be assassinated in Mexico with an icepick in the head. He and the other party staff even made very clear that what they fought for WAS socialism. And actually, Hitler's Nazis were more similar to the labor unions under Britain, NOT the UKIP or today's Republican Party.

      Also, use your head: If he weren't a socialist, why would he keep using the name, even AFTER he consolidated enough power to no longer need to use the term? Had it been me in Hitler's shoes and I wasn't a socialist, the very second I've consolidated enough power, I'd do a name change specifically to make public I was never a Socialist and just used them to gain power, knowing they can't do a thing to stop me once I'm in full control.

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    • Might as well add quotes and sources to back myself up:

      We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.
      ―Hitler speech, May 1, 1927
      Each activity and each need of the individual will thereby be regulated by the party as the representative of the general good. There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism--not such trifles as the private possession of the means of production. Of what importance is that if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. All that, you see, is unessential. Our Socialism goes far deeper.
      ―Hitler to Hermann Rauschning, quoted from The Ominous Parallels by Leonard Peikoff
      The NSDAP is the German Left. We despise bourgeois nationalism.
      ―Joesph Goebbels quote from Der Angriff, December 6, 1931
      And here's a couple of quotes that shows that the Nazis saw the Communists as a rival for control of the Left (as well as an admission that Nazism's roots are in socialism, just as the roots of Communism are:
      We are against the political bourgeoisie, and for genuine nationalism! We are against Marxism, but for true socialism! We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature! We are for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party!
      ―Joseph Goebbels and Mjölnir, Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken, 1932
      Socialism may be established by force, as in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics--or by vote, as in Nazi (National Socialist) Germany. The degree of socialization may be total, as in Russia--or partial, as in England. Theoretically, the differences are superficial; practically, they are only a matter of time. The basic principle, in all cases, is the same.
      ―From chapter "The Monument Builders", from The Virtue of Selfishness by Ayn Rand
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    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party The party is listed as 'Far-Right'

      It is possible to be Right-wing and Socialist. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_socialism

      I myself, like Hitler, am a Right-wing socialist. 

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    • Well, I wouldn't compare yourself to Hitler!

      But yes, he's right, Hitler was a very Right-wing man. Facism is a Far-Right policy. Much like the Far-Right BNP in Britain today. They have facist/racist views, but show some socialist/populist policies too. Both Left and Right wing parties can appeal to the working class and have socialist ideologies. 

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    • Penrith wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party The party is listed as 'Far-Right'

      It is possible to be Right-wing and Socialist. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_socialism

      I myself, like Hitler, am a Right-wing socialist. 

      Wikipedia has a liberal bias, actually (last I checked, Wikipedia ALSO said that Castro only threw his lot with the Soviets after Bay of Pigs, when in actuality, he had been Communist-aligned since before that time, with there being a lot of documented evidence confirming the latter.). And besides which, no, socialism is completely of the left-wing, it is NEVER of the right-wing.

      And did you even read those sources and quotes? They made VERY clear Hitler and the Nazis were left-wing. Also, Hitler supported gun control, which is something the left ascribes to. And besides, Stalin did very similar stuff to Hitler, right down to a doctor's plot, and no one called HIM Right-Wing. And having corporations doesn't make one a capitalist or right-wing. Armand Hammer was a businessman, yet he was in bed with the Communists and supported their ideologies, which included, yes, left-wing politics (not to mention even Lenin implied support for businesses, although solely as a means to destroy capitalism. I believe his exact words were "we'll sell the capitalist the rope he'll use to hang himself."). Also, Karl Marx also advocated for the extermination of the Jews, and he was left-wing. In fact, part of Marx's ideas were even emulated to some extent BY the Nazis.

      And for the record, simply being anarchists isn't enough to be considered far-Right any more than supporting individualism does, either, nor does supporting companies. Remember, Michel Foucault, Noam Chomsky, Bill Ayers, and Jean-Paul Sartre were people who supported freedom of the individual and creating anarchy, and they were definitely of the political left (as a matter of fact, all four of them qualified as being of the far left).

      Next time you want to refute my statements, how about you actually READ those quotes and articles.

      Also, Ludwig Von Mises made VERY clear that both Nazism and Communism belonged to the same political spectrum. In fact, the closest you can compare Nazism to is current-day China, which also has a similar economic model. And yes, the Nazis and the Chinese are BOTH left wing.

      That's not to say there AREN'T right-wing dictatorships, however. There have only been two countries to have dictators who actually WERE right-wing. They are Brazil and Chile. Even THEN, however, they're closer to neoconservatives, which are just barely right-wing. Hitler and the Nazis were not right wing at all, not even close to it.

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    • Killing millions of Jews is PRETTY Right wing in my opinion. 

      I'd rather compare the Nazi Party to today's Far-right British National Party (BNP). The BNP support Facist and/or Racist policies while using some  Socialist/populist policies as well, very much like the Nazis. The BNP support the needs of ordinary working-class white Brits, while maintaing an agressive policy against mass immigration and Islamifiction. In the 30's, the Nazis supported the needs of middle-class Germans, while maintaing anti-Jweish & facist policies. This is why both the BNP and Nazi Party are classed as Far-Right. Socialism/populism has nothing to do with it.

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    • Penrith wrote: Killing millions of Jews is PRETTY Right wing in my opinion. 

      I'd rather compare the Nazi Party to today's Far-right British National Party (BNP). The BNP support Facist and/or Racist policies while using some  Socialist/populist policies as well, very much like the Nazis. The BNP support the needs of ordinary working-class white Brits, while maintaing an agressive policy against mass immigration and Islamifiction. In the 30's, the Nazis supported the needs of middle-class Germans, while maintaing anti-Jweish & facist policies. This is why both the BNP and Nazi Party are classed as Far-Right. Socialism/populism has nothing to do with it.

      You've got to be kidding me! Being anti-Semitic has absolutely nothing to do with being right-wing at all. You DO realize that Jean-Paul Sartre made similar anti-Semitic remarks during the Munich Olympics massacre, or that Karl Marx, the founder of socialism/communism, was himself a massive anti-Semite who even strongly insinuated that the Jewish people should be exterminated (despite the fact that he was, ethnically at least, a Jew), or how Josef Stalin actually intended to conduct Genocide against the Jewish people just before his death via the Doctor's Plot, right? All those guys were massive far-leftists. Also, Al Sharpton once started an anti-Semitic riot against a Jewish family due to the latter accidentally killing a black kid. Last I checked, especially when he's on MSNBC instead of, say, FOX, he's a leftist.

      Oh yeah, and leftist icons such as Che Guevara, Karl Marx, and the like had PLENTY of racist things to say against minorities, many of which were SO awful they actually make the Ku Klux Klan seem like Civil Rights activists. And don't get me started on how the left's hero Malcolm X was utterly racist against whites. Might as well also note Norman Mailer, who MORE than made clear that he viewed Blacks as being sexually athletic beasts rather than actual human beings. And President Lyndon B. Johnson was of the left, and HE was a racist, even his "great society" program was never intended to actually help blacks, but to enslave them to the Democrat Party.

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    • Well, Hitler supported both the lower and upper classes in Germany.

      Almost all sites list Adolf as 'Far-Right'. You CAN be 'Right' and 'Socialist' at the same time. I am and UK PM Benjamin Disraeli was.

      Wikipedia lists the Nazis as 'Social Conservative', under the 'Ideology' on the Infobox.

      The closest modern-day parties to the Nazis, are the afforementioned BNP, Scottish Democratic Alliance, British Democratic Party & Britain First.

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    • Penrith wrote: Well, Hitler supported both the lower and upper classes in Germany.

      Almost all sites list Adolf as 'Far-Right'. You CAN be 'Right' and 'Socialist' at the same time. I am and UK PM Benjamin Disraeli was.

      Wikipedia lists the Nazis as 'Social Conservative', under the 'Ideology' on the Infobox.

      The closest modern-day parties to the Nazis, are the afforementioned BNP, Scottish Democratic Alliance, British Democratic Party & Britain First.

      No, you CAN'T be a socialist and a right-winger. Karl Marx, and even various Soviet leaders and leftists made very clear you can't. You HAVE to belong to the left-wing. And don't forget, Hitler also said they should eat the plutocrats and all of that, just like Stalin. And I might as well add, lastly, that if he truly wasn't a socialist, he would have pulled a name change for the party as soon as their power base was solidified as an explicit denouncement of Socialism, like how Thomas Jefferson ran a campaign claiming he'll end federalist policies, yet as soon as he got into office, he claimed "we're all federalists now!" and doubled down on their big government policies.

      And as I said before, Wikipedia has a lot of liberal biases on there and even false information. I even CITED something Wikipedia claimed that was false: Castro being a nationalist instead of a Communist. I also listed six websites that made CLEAR that Hitler and the Nazis were of the left-wing.

      And no, the closest parties in real life today to the Nazis are the current ChiComs, because they both hold to Communism AND allow for some degree of private enterprise.

      Here's another website that made clear that Nazism was of the left: http://www.conservapedia.com/National_Socialism

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    • May I help? I don't think Nazis were were particularly Right or Left. They combined many elements of both sides. I'd say they're more Radical Centre.

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